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17 HMR for the win
You should be shooting the 22 WMR V-Max 30 grains
Great grouping especially with the 17 and speed always Trump's armor but the 22 mag is a great rifle also they both have more power than most people think how many yards was these shots taken from
I have 22 mag love it, only way I'd take a 17 is for longer effective range but I try to keep my shots 100 yards or closer
look at that 17 hmr group though
Speed & small meplat always dents steel more. Like all tools there's a tool for ever job . Where I shoot pests are on the lager side so I got a Lithgow crossover in 22magnum. I have not used any premium ammo yet just maxi Mags , they work real well on game just not the most accurate at 100 yards. I like our little 22 magnum lever action as a light walkabout rifle with open sights , it does the job on small pigs & goats just fine. I would like to see a 5mm or .20 cal magnum.
That group tho!
Long live the 500 mag.
witch one is the 17 hmr??
I have a 17HMR and. 22Mag.Love them both.
Dang. 17 hmr don't screw around! I guess that settles that debate.
Used to have a 22mag now have a 17hmr like both rounds they have killed allot of foxes rabbits and crow's for me both are very effective little rounds
shooting deer with either is pretty damn crappy I dont care if your grand ma killed a grizzly with a 22short. A quick humane kill is what a real sportsman tries for. A 6mm should be a minimum on white tails .
@alex morfin 22lr took down the world record grizzly at the time by a little old Cree lady in Alberta. Still, there should be minimum calibre size for deer and other big game in my opinion.
You can pretty much use 22lr as a deer round actually. Fact: the reason most u.s state officials don't allow 22lr, 22mag or 17hmr for deer is because many poachers use it for their quietness. you can shoot a 22lr from 100 yards away and you can barely hear the pop from the muzzle. back when I visted Mexico, I had the chance to witness 4 white tailed deer hints with CCI minimag hollow point 36gn taking down all four deer over 100 yards. they manage to only run 15 yards before dropping, and all four were over 120lbs. so its possible for a 22lr to take down a nice sized buck, and if you think about it ancient humans would take down huge mammals like wooly mammoths with small spears and arrows.
Shooting whitetail with either caliber is against the law
Best test I've seen to date. Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
The v-max do pretty much the same crater as well
Falta calibrar bien la mira.!!
Yes the .17 only has 245ft lbs but all that energy is transferred into that soft target it has a higher energy dump than the .22mag. Where as the .22 continues on through and doesn't use up all its energy on the target and there is almost little to no bullet expansion or fragmentation either. its a debate that no one will win ive had great success with the .17 and I still love shooting both rifles.
+kaapow190180 I've got a Ruger heavy barrel in 17 wsm that will out shoot both of them . I have shot ground hogs at 250 yards all day long . I shoot the federal 20 grain 3000 fps it is a bad little round .
17 HMR 245 pounds of kinetic, 22 WMR 330 pounds of kinetic energy. If your shooting things bigger than squirrels and crows you need the 22 WMR. I have shot coyotes many times and had them run off same with feral cats. I use the Hornady 30 gr. V-max at 2,200 fps.
Well it's definitely not that simple. Foot pounds of energy while helpful in determining killing potential isnt the end all be all factor in the determination. For example I own both calibers and while hunting I have found that the 17hmr is actually a more devastating round than the 22mag. While hunting squirrels the 22mag round goes straight threw the animal without much expansion at all. It just passes right threw, so that 280 or 300 plus foot pounds of energy is not fully transferred into the animal. That energy is going straight threw out the back of the animal. While the 17hmr having less foot pounds of energy is actually more efficient in translating its energy into the target. So when I shoot a squirrel with the 17hmr it just totally blows the squirrel apart. Because all of its foot pounds of energy is staying inside that animal, it's not all wasted like with the 22mag. So it's not as simple as simply seeing which has more foot pounds of energy, it's about which round can translate its power more effectively. This is how ballistics work, Make sence?
That makes you a shitty hunter. Try going to the range first.
@Doc Tari I have used both the 17 and 20 grain with minimal luck, head shot you should be fine even with 22 short at 50 yards. I shoot out to 130 yards max on a coyote maybe a little further on fox. I hunt at night so head shots don't happen very often, I put it right on the shoulder or right behind it with the 22 WMR they drop or run up to 100 yards usually. It's been hit or miss with the 17 HMR some drop others you never find it's almost a 50/50 chance also no blood ever with the 17 where the 22 WMR passes through making at least a little blood to follow. Don't get me wrong the 17 HMR is a fast flat shooting little caliber and greatly outperforms the 22 long rifle but if your shooting stuff that weighs more than 20 pounds use the 22 WMR.
Don't pay attention to that Casey idiot. Thanks for the feedback on effectiveness. We need to know the limitations of the various calibers. I was wondering if you were shooting 17 or 20 grain rounds of the .17? Also wonder at what distance? Last question, where were you choosing shot placement?UI was thinking that the 17 may be more effective in head shots. Need to know if you were shooting classic boiler maker shots or head shots. Thanks for the info.
@Casey28027 Don't t you feel guilty when injuring your ass with your boyfriend? That poor suffering ass...
Freak,why do you have to bash Americans? Imagine you buy .22 mag and Ruger 77/22 Both American! .17 HMR is a great groundhog killer,guess your friends just can't make a good shot? Enough said......
Its a marlin 917
Ya it is a pretty sweet little rifle
That's a 17hmr group right there. Love how accurate they are once set up....and easy to set up indeed. I run a Browning 17HMR T-Bolt. Admittedly a wee bit pricey for the caliber, but that gun has become family. Been shooting the same groups for a long time. Makes it extra enjoyable during gopher season. And it just has such a nice cycle and solid quality feel. Even if they did put a little plastic in it. It's minor. Sorry for going on and on....vid just got me thinking about my little precious. :)
It sounded like the .17 had less muzzle blast (i.e was quieter) than the .22 Mag. Is that your observation as well or can you even notice the difference?
Yes, though some of it depends on ammo and barrel length. Out of my A17, the Hornady VMax is a little quieter than the CCI A17 branded ammo (subjective caveats apply). The 22Mag out of a 24" barrel bolt-action is noticeably louder than any of the 17HMR in our shooting. Neither rifle has a muzzle brake or other device attached.
really stupid video. Neither round penetrated the steel plate so what is your point. 17hmr is a faggy round that will not kill the largest of small game reliably with its faggy airgun weight bullets. Long live the .22 mag destroyer of small game with its robust forty grainers. As for accuracy I would put my Ruger 77/22 mag against your puny .17 20 grainers all day long. The only thing I like about that round is that because of it their are a plethora of .22 mag ballistic tip loads now. Thank you to the .17 for making the .22 mag loads even better bringing back the resurgence of many rifles and pistols chambered for the .22 mag. I will buy a .17 when I feel the need for a gun to punch holes in paper. My friends have reported that the .17 sucks as a groundhog killer. 20 grains is not enough friends.
nodrreiak has his eyes painted on. cant even see what happened in front of them
nodresiak I kill coyotes out to 150 yards with my 17 hmr. it'll kill any small game out to 350 yards or more if you're accraute enough.
nodresiak you're an ediot.
nodresiak You can be angry as much as you want but because of its speed its has less wind drift and it more accucurate and shoots flatter
I can't understand why someone would have an issue with what caliber someone uses to hunt. In truth, I wonder if that person even has the judgement to be trusted with a gun. People can have whatever gun they want to in this country. It sounds like certain people need to justify their manhood or lack there of by the old, my dick is bigger than your dick argument. Thankfully, in the US, at least, there isn't a limit to the number of guns we can own. If something doesn't do what you want it to do, buy something else. You can always find something that is more powerful. To the clown who was spouting off about the light weight rounds of the 17hmr not doing what he wanted, the same thing can be said about any round that you compare with a heavier one. I suppose if that guy buys a ranch rifle, he would probably say the same thing about a 22 mag.
Nice groups with that 17!! Just bought one yesterday, can't wait to get out and shoot it.
Dude nice groups with the 17!
Shooting Winchester Supreme 34gr hp, I was punching clean through 1/8" mild steel and taking very nice gouges out of a 4" dia pipe with a 3/8" wall thickness. This was out of a Henry Golden Boy 22mag. Also, shooting Dynapoint 45gr was shooting through both sides of a steel trash barrel fire pit.
pretty sure its a marlin 917
Hmm, I honestly didn't expect the 17 to chew up the metal like that, I thought the 22 would do more damage even with the lower velocity due to its heavier weight, but damn, powerful little round :)
CanuckTV out of a pistol perhaps, 22mag isn't subsonic until after 200 yards out of a rifle
The .17 HMR looks like it is more powerfull because it dents the steel plate, but that is because it has a smaller profile so the energy is more focused. The .22 actually has more killing power because it delivers more energy to the target, it's just spread out a little more.
What gun brand is your 17? It's putting down some nice groups!
17 hmr very accurate and powerful !!
It was 3/8 i believe couldve been ,1/4" though
How thick was the steel plate you used ?
I'm a big hmr fan..!!! Nice video..!!!
thanks everyone. gonna make some more shortly.
Just the video i was looking for before i made my choice... Thanks
Hats off to the groups with the hmr. Nice shooting
First comment on your first comment!!!!!!
awesome comparison. i always thought the 22mag at ranges less than 100 yards would do more damage. apparently not. the .17 also seems a lot more accurate in your video. I'm glad I have one. thanks for the comparison.